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Re: Who's doing the raping?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 2:45 pm
by crayzz
Hahaha, what? Not only is horseshoe theory not relevant here, that's not even a good example of it.

Also: "The latter belief may be less discriminatory, but it's also more restrictive."

I do hope you would use the exact same rhetoric regarding e.g. marijuana.

Re: Who's doing the raping?

PostPosted: Thu Jul 30, 2015 7:43 pm
by Deepbluediver
crayzz wrote:Also: "The latter belief may be less discriminatory, but it's also more restrictive."

I do hope you would use the exact same rhetoric regarding e.g. marijuana.

I'm not exactly sure what you are referring to here- at this time I have no objections to full legalization of marijuana.

Re: Who's doing the raping?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:07 am
by Tem
Tailsteak wrote:So I look forward to conservative politicians of all sorts coming out in favour of men being prevented from immigrating, in favour of men being unable to purchase or own guns, in favour of men not becoming police officers, and in favour of men being subjected to extra security screenings at the airports.

... I mean, that would just make sense, wouldn't it?


Yes, it would make sense.

That's how I can tell they are not going to do it, ever. Because it never was about preventing crime in the first place.

And of course, also, because they ARE men themselves. Duh.

Re: Who's doing the raping?

PostPosted: Fri Jul 31, 2015 1:55 pm
by Bramble.Chappell
Deepbluediver wrote:The left believes that people are violent and private citizens shouldn't be allowed to own guns.
The latter belief may be less discriminatory, but it's also more restrictive.


This is a tangent, but I'm not certain of this. I actually support the basic right for law-abiding citizens to own and carry weapons, within reasonable restrictions and with intelligent oversight, so I may not have a clear understanding of the reasoning behind the liberal position in this case, so someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but I thought that the idea was that if fewer people have access to guns and they're restricted from more public places, violence itself might not be reduced but that especially deadly and uncontrollable gun violence would be. (The biggest counterargument being that a law-abiding citizen who carries a firearm and knows how to use it is not a source of criminal violence, but a necessary counter to it, and that someone who intends to use a firearm for criminal purposes is never going to be realistically deterred by laws restricting them from owning or carrying guns.)

I've heard from my father many times the much more extreme notion that law-abiding citizens need to have the right to own and bear firearms so that they will be equipped to defend themselves in the event of the police and/or military being turned against the civilian population, and that therefore gun laws should principally never restrict citizens' armaments more than it restricts police armaments. I don't agree with that, of course, but with recent events I can't help but think that any law-abiding citizen who belongs to one of a few targeted demographics would be entirely justified in thinking "I need to carry a gun because I might have to defend myself against the police." (The idea of being able to successfully defend yourself in this situation is probably entirely unrealistic, of course, but I think it says something if that line of thinking is beginning to sound reasonable.)

Anyway, yes, <redacted> is a horrible human being, a blatant racist, warmonger, and also the candidate every member of my immediate family is voting for. :|

Re: Who's doing the raping?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:32 am
by Horizon
Yeah, I've been in that sort of position before. It's definitely not fun, and makes you wonder "Was I adopted?"

Incidentally, I'm now the most recent poster in all three boards.
Suck it.

Re: Who's doing the raping?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 9:13 am
by luislsacc
Interesting points. Though, I'm more for universal solutions rather than targeted at specific groups, not just for issues of fairness, but on this case, maximum security.

Re: Who's doing the raping?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 12:03 pm
by Tem
luislsacc wrote:Interesting points. Though, I'm more for universal solutions rather than targeted at specific groups, not just for issues of fairness, but on this case, maximum security.


No one gets to immigrate and no one can become a police officer? I don't think that would work. No immigration, maybe, but the absence of police officers would not reduce crime. (Although the effect of removing guns and removing the police might cancel each other out)

Re: Who's doing the raping?

PostPosted: Sat Aug 01, 2015 5:43 pm
by luislsacc
Tem wrote:
luislsacc wrote:Interesting points. Though, I'm more for universal solutions rather than targeted at specific groups, not just for issues of fairness, but on this case, maximum security.


No one gets to immigrate and no one can become a police officer? I don't think that would work. No immigration, maybe, but the absence of police officers would not reduce crime. (Although the effect of removing guns and removing the police might cancel each other out)


What's the difference between no discrimination and universal discrimination? Suspicion. I remember reading Tailsteak's author blurb awhere he says he's not nervous when encountering a police officer at a stop, or being kidnapped or raped when walking through a public park at night (strip 728, and thinking "Dang Mason, you are one aloof man." I've been in more violent and tense situations than I can count - quite literally, I've tried to - so perhaps my experiences are different from most but I am never not wary when I'm in public. I'm not paranoid because I know what physical advantages I have and confidence in handling myself in confrontations, but I'm never not tense around a police officer, nor am I not keeping an eye and ear out when walking at night (tip, avoid using headphones when in alleys or walking at night, as they make you much more of a target, you can't hear an assailant coming and even if they start off by talking to you they rely on your common sense of holding your phones when you talk to them to subconsciously be less willing to make sudden moves).

So, everyone could immigrate, get jobs as police officers etc., but I'd be in favour of more universal scrutiny.

Re: Who's doing the raping?

PostPosted: Thu Jan 26, 2017 11:43 pm
by gaeila
Tailsteak wrote:So a certain American businessman and politician (whom I shall refrain from naming here, because speaking his name would give him power)


Why not Google his nicknames and pick one that speaks to you?

My current favorite is F--kface Von Clownstick, courtesy of John Stewart.

Is there ANY doubt as to who I'm referring to with that one? But there are plenty of other good ones, many of them involving rotting pumpkins, tangerines or toupees.