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Re: Legalise child pornography

Postby Alex Starkiller » Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:34 am

Jynto wrote:Has anyone ever been arrested for possessing a nude photo of himself*? That must have happened at least once.

*(or herself, but much less likely)

I believe I have heard of this happening, though I can't remember where or when.
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Re: Legalise child pornography

Postby soban » Mon Jun 24, 2013 7:53 pm

We also have the question, what is a child? For example, in my state it's legal for you to have sex at 16. (I think that if porn is legal then the age that you can legally have sex should be the age you can make porn. Same for prostitution if it is legal. I do think that both and alcohol should go the way of the cigarette. Not Illegal, but considered universally a bad idea.) In California, it's 18. In some places around the world, it's lower then that. I know some 15 year olds that when I met them I would have sworn they were 18+. I've met some 18 year olds who I would have sworn were fifteen.

A child does not have the ability to give meaningful consent. However, the parents do have the ability to give consent on behalf of their kids. If the parents consent, does that change the equation?

CP has a lot of questions wrapped up in it. Everyone agrees that it's wrong, but if you push the edges about why it is wrong then we wind up with a grey area. However, I think that if we an answer three questions we can get much clearer lines.

1. When can someone meaningfully consent to sex?
2. Is sex so personal that only they can consent to it?
3. Is there anything so personal that it can not be shared with consent?
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Re: Legalise child pornography

Postby Alex Starkiller » Mon Jun 24, 2013 8:58 pm

1. I'unno. There are people very mature for their age, and their are people who should be trusted alone, no matter their age.
2. Of course. There are waaay too many doors that open if that sort of precedent is set. Scary dystopian future and/or rape-y doors.
3. I'unno. Probably not, assuming it is truly consented to, not tricked out of someone.
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Re: Legalise child pornography

Postby soban » Mon Jun 24, 2013 10:38 pm

I think that clarifies the boundaries quite a bit then. Based on what you said sex is something that only a person can consent to themselves and if they consent then it should be legally shared. If they can't consent to share it then it should not be legally shared.

The only outstanding question is when can someone consent to have sex? As you have said, there are some people who mature at a very young age. There are some, who mentally never mature. Ideally a case by case basis would work. I personally think that once one reaches the age of being able to physically bear children (Average is around 15/16ish) one is usually able to make meaningful consent. That also happens to be where in most jurisdictions where the age of consent is. If you are below the age of consent. Then it's rape. Recordings of it would then be recordings of an illegal act. As a porn video, it would be illegal becuase not everyone gave consent to it's creation and distribution. That's my thought process at the least.
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Re: Legalise child pornography

Postby Alex Starkiller » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:37 am

soban wrote:I think that clarifies the boundaries quite a bit then. Based on what you said sex is something that only a person can consent to themselves and if they consent then it should be legally shared. If they can't consent to share it then it should not be legally shared.

The only outstanding question is when can someone consent to have sex? As you have said, there are some people who mature at a very young age. There are some, who mentally never mature. Ideally a case by case basis would work. I personally think that once one reaches the age of being able to physically bear children (Average is around 15/16ish) one is usually able to make meaningful consent. That also happens to be where in most jurisdictions where the age of consent is. If you are below the age of consent. Then it's rape. Recordings of it would then be recordings of an illegal act. As a porn video, it would be illegal becuase not everyone gave consent to it's creation and distribution. That's my thought process at the least.

*could. Not everyone wants their sexytimes shared. Though sharing sex scenes that are not consented to be shared is a totally different thing and has no place here.

Case-by-case is probably ideal. Though I really don't know a good "average" age. Personally 16 isn't a "bad" number per se, I just don't have a wide enough base for comparison to tell whether or not the average 16 year old is mentally mature enough for sex. I mean, I'm gonna go ahead and be egotistical but I believe I'm doing pretty good on the whole "knowledgeable" thing so far, and even then I am constantly learning knew things regarding all of this. I say that, because we also have to determine how ready people are to consent. How much knowledge is required to be considered fully able to consent? Do we shoot for the minimum or nearer the maximum?
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Re: Legalise child pornography

Postby Jynto » Tue Jun 25, 2013 8:27 pm

soban wrote:1. When can someone meaningfully consent to sex?


Are you sure that consent is really the issue here? A child can consent to major surgery, which carries a far greater risk to their life. At the age of say, 12, kids are old enough to make many decisions about their own lives, some of which are arguably more important than sex. But sex with 12-year-olds is clearly wrong, whether or not it's consented for. You know it's wrong, without even having to ask. You probably find the very idea of it disgusting. My question is: if you had to explain to an alien why it was wrong to sexualise children, what reason would you give?
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Re: Legalise child pornography

Postby Alex Starkiller » Tue Jun 25, 2013 9:15 pm

Jynto wrote:
soban wrote:1. When can someone meaningfully consent to sex?


Are you sure that consent is really the issue here? A child can consent to major surgery, which carries a far greater risk to their life. At the age of say, 12, kids are old enough to make many decisions about their own lives, some of which are arguably more important than sex. But sex with 12-year-olds is clearly wrong, whether or not it's consented for. You know it's wrong, without even having to ask. You probably find the very idea of it disgusting. My question is: if you had to explain to an alien why it was wrong to sexualise children, what reason would you give?

Was it not decided it was disgusting because they can't properly consent? I'm truly not sure myself where this social stigma originated.
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