I Side With's 2016 Election Quiz.

[JustinReilly]

Exact line of thought that landed us with a Prime Minister that sold away national funds to friends, was part of numerous corruption schemes (which I am surprised to say he is being investigated for and has actually been detained), pissed money away on superfluous infrastructure, and then proceded to call for aid from the IMF without checking with the Parliment first, and organizing a rushed election so their political opponents would be the ones associated with years of awful recession.

Gun to my head I would take Clinton over Trump, but the Devil you know argument is pretty bad m'kay.

There'd be no need for her to do that. We've institutionalized our corruption to the point where they can get all the money and goodies and cushy jobs they want without breaking a single law. She's Establishment through and through. What you describe is the kind of crap I would hope Trump would do if he got in. If he just stuck to using crazy schemes to steal money he wouldn't do too much damage. And at least it would be more entertaining than politics usually is. No, I'm worried what he'd try to do with the military. I know what Clinton would do, i.e. the same stupid crap we've been doing for twenty years. Trump? Who the fuck knows?

[Horizon]

No, we know exactly what Donald Trump would do with the military, we're just too terrified by the thought to say it out loud.

[RedSavarin]

No, we know exactly what Donald Trump would do with the military, we're just too terrified by the thought to say it out loud.

Not much, except attacking ISIS, which is about time if you ask me

Meanwhile, Clinton would like to try it against Russia

[marr]

Supreme court nominations? You really want the alt-right making those?

[Killjoy]

Supreme court nominations? You really want the alt-right making those?

Just slightly less than I want Hillary making them. On the other hand, she'll have to get them through the Senate, and that's likely to have at least enough of the opposing party to stall anyone who'd choose to ignore certain civil liberties.

[mustang6172]

Everything ruined forever and always!

[Tem]

From an American point of view, it may seem like a good thing that Donald will bond with Vladimir over their shared fetish for masculinity and hatred of women and homosexuals.

From an European point of view ... well, I am worried they might team up with Erdogan and invade Europe.

Clinton, unlike Donald, is not insane, so I doubt she'd start anything worse against Russia than another cold war. Unlike Trump, she wouldn't consider it a good idea to start a nuclear war. And considering that Russia isn't exactly a country where human rights are held high, I cannot get really upset about her being mean to Vladimir.

With Clinton, I am pretty sure that, regardless of what she says to appeal to the masses, she would not start military attacks that could lead to nuclear weapons being unleashed.

Donald, on the other hand, you cannot know what he'll do next, because he has no clue how politics work, and we can only hope he is kept in check so that he cannot do what I fear he wants to do, like making Europe an American colony.
However, I do not see how we can avoid the apocalypse by climate change now, considering that North America is a very big place and contributes to global climate change a lot.

I will go and try build a ship that has place for all my favourite animals ...

[Killjoy]

From an American point of view, it may seem like a good thing that Donald will bond with Vladimir over their shared fetish for masculinity and hatred of women and homosexuals.

Yeah... you may need to recalibrate your image of "an American point of view". Only about 25% of the American electorate voted for Trump, and he lost the popular vote... yay for the "winner take all by state" Electoral College, I guess... or something. Yeach. If the Democrats had put forth a candidate that didn't inspire something between "meh" and loathing in a large part of the American populace, Trump would have been smacked. The sad secret of this election is that while the number of people who voted for the Republican candidate was just about steady from 2008 to 2012 to 2016... the number of people who voted for the Democratic candidate has fallen by more than 10 million since 2008.

The people who voted for Trump aren't endorsing his likely relationship with Putin, they just don't care about it. What happens in Russia or Syria or Ukraine doesn't matter to them any more, if it ever did. Trump is a bloviating ignoramus, but his articulation of anger and unthinking bluntness appealed to people who are sick of the same banal bland platitudes out of both sides in DC and too busy trying to hold their lives together to look deeper at the ugly ugly details, or who've been numbed to real ugliness by the left's constant refrain of divisiveness and accusation against anyone to the right of Mr Rogers.

E: http://www.npr.org/2016/11/14/501727488 ... rack-obama
E: http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_ ... _them.html

E2: or this one -- https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/won ... siness_pop -- which gets into what I've been saying for a while now... identity politics coming home to roost. When the American left has been telling people for decades that their "identity" defines them and their voting interests, they cannot be surprised when "identity" comes back to bite them in the ass.

[mustang6172]

It's more like 46.75%

Credit where it's due, I don't think Trump has a hatred of homosexuals. Let us not forget Caitlin Jenner Bathroom Gate: a scandal that actually involved a gate.

[Killjoy]

It's more like 46.75%

218,959,000 eligible voters in the US.
61,201,031 voted for The Donald.

27.95% -- actual percentage of the electorate who voted for The Donald.